Re: [PIUG List] AW Help with identifying a French publication

Thankyou everyone who answered my question on this, especially Thierry for=
 
the publication date clarification, Agnieszka for the bibliographic
infomation and Robin for the clarification on numbering formats.

The format of the reference had been bothering me also seeing as it didn't=
 
match any numbering system I could find pertaining to FR patents. The
initial reference (including the "extra" digits) provided by my colleague=
 
came from a copy of a presentation given, as it turns out, by one of the
inventors listed on the application. In light of Robin's comments, I
suspect the additional numbers are simply a typographical error on the
part of the presentation author. I had wondered if there was some sort of=
 
FR specific filing receipt issued that might have been the source of the
alternate format, but given that no one on the list proffered that as a
suggestion I don't think it's very likely.


Brian



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Hi,

I think Peter is right : Brian's number should read 0607680 and it is the=
 
FR
application number (N° d'enregistrement national ; INID code 21, see
http://www.wipo.int/export/sites/www/scit/en/standards/pdf/03-09-01.pdf,
p.5).

As stated in the INPADOC tables at France [Number format concordance -
application/priority numbers, or
http://documents.epo.org/projects/babylon/eponet.nsf/0/D7F5F82A1B1AAB32C125=
73B700560D52/$File/appl_prio_0712.pdf],
FR applications are given a FR application number YYNNNNN, say Brian's
0607680, with 2 digits YY for the year and 5 digits NNNNN for the serial
number.
Furthermore, Stephen, there are two types of serial numbers, depending on=
 
the way of filing:
- serial numbers > 50001 for electronic filings
- serial numbers from 00001 to 49999 for paper filings
total: 17245 FR applications filed in 2006 (anyone knows the ratio
paper/electronic, maybe Alex ?)
Hence, Brian's 07680 should have been filed on paper.

Like Thierry said, Brian's FR0607680 filed on 1/9/2006 shall be published=
 
around 1/3/2008, most probably on friday 7/3.

Agnieszka, how did you get your biblio data ? Derwent ?

Robin

PS: Note that, surprinsingly, you can get more FR granted patents (B1)
published on http://fr.espacenet.com/ than on
http://www.espacenet.com/index.en.htm ; same for other countries, like NL.=
 

Please read Steve Van Dulken's post on this
(
http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/patentsblog/2007/11/french-granted.html
)

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Dear Stephen,

>From my point of view it seems that this irritation arised due to a typing=
 

mistake from Brian's side ...

Usually French patents get the Brevet number ("N° d'enregistrement
nationale" - Code 21) which consists of the application year abbreviation=
 
-
in this case 06 and a serial number of the applications in this case
07680.

Take a look at the already published e.g. FR2896108 (with the same
application date) for comparison.

Best regards,
Peter

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