Re: [PIUG List] Beyond Keywords: Concept searching for patents

(At the risk of receiving >40 out of office messages, I'll try answering
this)

This searching method may be superior to classification searching but may=
 
not be superior to good ("old fashioned"?) indexing. This latter
method--good abstracting and indexing--is why, for chemical patents at
least, Chemical Abstracts and Derwent were so successful in serving the
searching needs of patent searchers the world over. Even better, constru=
ct
and use a good thesaurus as did API (American Petroleum Institute) and it=
s
users for decades.

A not so great comparison can be made to finding a book in the library.
Classification can get you into one or more promising niches (but may mis=
s
some) but then you must do some browsing within that classification to fi=
nd
other material. Searching wise, the best methods use both classification=
,
indexing, and yes, even full text searching to answers questions and solv=
e
problems.

Your method sounds an attempt at some form of automatic indexing,
clustering, whatever, and is probably superior to a Google-like search
engine, but that may not be saying much. I may be in the old fogey class=
,
but I'll trust a good A&I producer much more than non-human parsers, 1st
order search engines (does Goggle come anywhere near meeting Salton's
methods?), or whatever.

Proof's in the pudding. Run some comparisons with realistic search
questions on your system, a number of full text search engines,
classification databases, and appropriate A&I databases. We'll look forw=
ard
to the results.

-- Bob Buntrock
(veteran of the wars for longer than I care to admit)
Orono, ME

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Ryley" <jryley_at_freepatentsonline.com>
To: "PIUG Discussion List @ Listbox" <piug_discussion_list_at_v2.listbox.com=
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Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: [PIUG List] Beyond Keywords: Concept searching for patents


> Hi Jeremy,
>
> You don't specify how your technology works, but this sounds similar to=
 
> LSI
> and clustering. If you are using something based around singular value
> decomposition and/or some variation of K-means clustering, we, and seve=
ral
> other companies are already working on this or have solutions commercia=
lly
> available. If you are working on something more novel, perhaps this is=
 a
> new tool that could benefit the IP community -- I'd be happy to talk to=
 
> you
> about it.
>
> Sincerely,
> James Ryley, Ph.D.
> www.SumoBrain.com / www.FreePatentsOnline.com
>
> This communication is to be treated as confidential and the information=
 in
> it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it has=
 
> been
> sent. Nothing contained herein nor on a related web site should be
> construed
> as legal or patenting advice.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mail [mailto:jeremy.trash_at_gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:35 PM
>> To: PIUG Discussion List @ Listbox
>> Subject: [PIUG List] Beyond Keywords: Concept searching for patents
>>
>> Please comment on whether you think this is useful, who might
>> want it, or why it's a waste of time.
>>
>> A friend and I researching a new way to search for patents at UT
>> Austin. We call the new method "Concept Searching."
>>
>> Currently people are forced to search on terms that are tied to form.
>> By the nature of the English language, it is very easy to create many
>> different descriptions for products that perform the same essential
>> functions. Our algorithm can parse plain text into (partial, but
>> useful) conceptual models as well as the implicit customer needs from
>> the patent description. This enables two or more products that may
>> appear to be different based on architecture or layout, to be
>> functionally compared to determine true novelty or uniqueness.
>> Conceptual models are universal, machine readable, and have a
>> one-to-one correspondence with products.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jeremy Guillory
>> jeremy.guillory_at_gmail.com
>>
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